Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball/Archive4

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Jeanie Buss

I recreated Jeanie Buss as a redirect as a Jerry Buss. Maybe it's me, but I think she warrants her own article. She's been Executive VP of Business Operations for 14 years. Her article was speedied 5 years ago for copyright reasons. Any takers to rewrite it (correctly this time)? caknuck _° needs to be running more often 04:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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{{Wheelchair basketball classifications}}

The template: basketball classifications template is missing classifications for basketball that are not wheelchair basketball. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 07:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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Outdoor basketball

Currently articles - Arthur Ashe Stadium and Rod Laver Arena - make claim to being the first basketball venue for a professional basketball match. Just wondering if there is some official sort of determination of a record like this.Hack (talk) 05:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

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Feedback requested on the best way to expand coverage of the history of women's basketball

I would like to expand the coverage of women's basketball history.

There seem to be three logical places for coverage of the history

1. Women's basketball
2. Basketball
3. History of basketball

In order to keep discussions together, I am posting this teaser on the talk pages of the three articles listed, plus the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport and Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball. I'll post a more complete post on Talk:Women's_basketball and urge anyone with any feedback to post it there.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:06, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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Joey Dorsey

Anyone know what his status is? Is he still under contract with Olympiacos? He's still listed on the team's website (and is shown on the Olympiacos roster at the Euroleague site and Eurobasket.com), but he had said earlier that he was leaving. Thanks. Zagalejo^^^ 00:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Bs templates

I created these two templates (similar to football templates): Template:Bs cl2 header navbar and Template:Bs cl2 team, example of usage. So everybody is welcomed to make things look better. I'm currently working on Latvian Wikipedia with these team tournaments, so I don't have very much time to do things by myself, so any help is appreciated. --Edgars2007 ^{(talk/contribs)} 16:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Classification to Disability Classification redirect

Template:Basketball classifications has been nominated for deletion, please see WP:RFD. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 07:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Wheelchair basketball

The project page says Wheelchair basketball is within scope of this wikiproject. Is that something everyone is happy with? If yes, can we build a taskforce for Wheelchair basketball? If not, those of us interested in wheelchair basketball will need to create a separate wikiproject. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 16:43, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Game highs in schedule tables

Can we discuss these point/rebound/assist leaders columns that are being added to schedule templates? Does anyone else think that they make the page overcrowded, hard to read, and, well, kind of ugly?

Take a look at 2011-12 Wisconsin Badgers men's basketball team. Yuck. It's way too hard for me to tell the score of a game at a glance. Especially so if you have a smaller screen, because you will get a line break in the middle of the game score.

Now, look at 2011-12 Ohio State Buckeyes men's basketball team. So much easier to read, right?

In my opinion, this is not necessary information anyway. Team stats can be better represented in a separate table, such as the one on 2011-12 Florida Gators men's basketball team..... Thoughts? ~ Richmond96 T o C 02:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

(Discussion now at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#Game highs in schedule tables)

Age group medal boxes

What is the policy on Medal boxes for the U16-U21 FIBA championships? I have seen them inconsistently deployed in and around the infoboxes. I use them in all of the articles that I create such as Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor, Nik Stauskas and Quincy Miller. I added one to Andrew Wiggins. I have noticed that many players do not use such boxes including most of the 2010 FIBA Under-17 World Championship USA gold medalists such as Bradley Beal, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, James Michael McAdoo, Marquis Teague, Tony Wroten and Andre Drummond. The only player on the team with an article and the medals box is Quinn Cook. I know that we have a policy against navboxes for age group national teams. However, I thought there was support for medal boxes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Basketball USA

With ESPN HS being shut down and high school sports coverage being picked up by USA Today I am wondering what happened to Mr. Basketball USA. USAT published its first preseason All-USA Today team this year, but I am not sure if they are going to do bi-weekly polling like ESPN HS did. Also, since USAT already had a player of the year, what will happen to this award?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

FIBA

I was approached by a representative of FIBA, who observed that coverage of FIBA related articles could use some improvement. The individual was looking fro feedback on how best to accomplish this, noting that the organization itself had limited resources for this type of activity. Of course, I reminded the person of COI, so direct involvement in editing would be problematic (although contributing to talk pages is encouraged.)

Obviously, there is nothing preventing an editor from working on FIBA articles, and we do have some active contributors in that area. I'd like to see if we could organize our efforts a bit.

I've been very active in basketball related articles for years, although not so active in this Wikiproject as a project, so I recognize the potential issues with joining a group, and immediately taking charge of any aspect of the mandate. My hope is to work with others in the Wikiproject, and either provide a coordinating role, or help someone else if they want to take on that role.

My current plan is to start by making an inventory of FIBA related articles, then create a table with a draft assessment of needs, and see if some editors would be willing to take on some of the more obvious assignments. This list would include existing articles, as well as missing articles. I would start with a draft on this page, or a sandbox, depending on size, then plan to add to the main page, or a subpage, as the community feels appropriate.

If anyone has a better approach, I'm open to anything that would help our coverage. I don't have much experience with basketball related articles outside of the US, but I've wanted to remedy that deficiency, so I'm looking forward to this as an opportunity to broaden my horizons. Those with more knowledge of FIBA, feel free to correct me if my deficiencies are too glaring.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:27, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+Specifically identified articles of interest:

• FIBA
• 3x3 (basketball)
• 2014_FIBA_Basketball_World_Cup
• 2019_FIBA_Basketball_World_Cup
• FIBA_Basketball_World_Cup
• FIBA_Hall_of_Fame
• Rules_of_basketball
• Official (basketball)
• FIBA World Club Championship
• FIBA World Championship for Women
• Naismith Trophy
• Variations_of_basketball#Different_roster_sizes
• Yvan Mainini
• Patrick Baumann (FIBA)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

John Shurna playing abroad

Can someone help me source the latest career moves of John Shurna. He appears to be playing for someone based on this story. The language might be French.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Templates for stats?

I see the CBB templates for schedules, and for rosters, but none for individual stats or team stats. Are there such templates? --SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:33, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Picture series in articles

I am experimenting with new photography equipment. I went to the 2012-13 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season opener to see my 2012-13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team. I have been adding picture series to articles like layup, foul (basketball), alley oop (basketball) and give-and-go. I don't feel an article like alley oop can be credibly depicted with a single photo. I will add a few more from this event to articles like personal foul (basketball) and fast break. Unless we get videos, I think picture series are the way to go. Do people agree? If people like these I will try to do a better job with my photography and illustrate many more basketball articles with series from games.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I am hoping my next game will be the January 26 showdown between Jabari Parker and Jahlil Okafor. However, the arena was changed and I am not even sure if it has been announced, yet. I will try to get some more photos from that event.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

• Bagumba, Maybe I should move the current Give-and-go images to fast break and look for a better give and go series. What do you think?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Sure. It looks like a 3-on-2 break. Maybe the backcourt picture isnt needed.--Bagumba (talk) 22:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Greg Somogyi notability

Hello!

The Greg Somogyi article was recently PRODed, and since I'm not familiar with the basketball notability guidelines, I would like to ask your help if he's notable enough before expanding the article. In short, he played between 2008 and 2012 in the NCAA, was not drafted but went to the LA Lakers summer camp before eventually ended up in the Spanish second division. He also has been seleceted on U18 and U20 level for the Hungarian national team, however, did not make any full international appearance yet. For me it appears to be that he isn't notable enough yet, however, would like to get some expert opinion. Thanks, Thehoboclown (talk) 18:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Overforking of articles

I have been spending a lot of time reorganizing {{Basketball}}. I have noticed a lot of questionable articles along the way. I have opened three merger discussions regarding merging Chase-down block into Block (basketball), Baseline dunk into Slam dunk and Fly fast break into Fast break.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:03, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Shot clock

Did I overdo the WP:CAPTION at Shot clock? Comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_Basketball#Shot_clock.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:25, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Olympics tag

Do we put {{WikiProject Olympics}} on pages that have {{WikiProject Basketball}} when it is applicable?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Bracketology and March Madness pools

I am a casual fan who watched March Madness last year and even filled out a bracket. Nevertheless, I am confused. Could someone explain the difference between Bracketology and March Madness pools? Are they completely separate topics or should they be merged? Also, the Bracketology section of the main article (NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship#Bracketology) (NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship#Bracketology and pools) seems to be closer to March Madness pools than to Bracketology. How should the two articles and that section be linked together? Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 13:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Phasing out the NBL player infobox

I have put this out there a couple of times both here and at WP:NBA and several active Australian editors - I think it is time to phase out Template:Infobox NBL player and move those articles to Template:Infobox basketball biography to get consistency between world leagues. I am starting to convert some players and directing anyone who'd like to discuss further to come here and do so. The way players move across leagues I think this method makes the most sense and is consistent with the consolidation of a number of pro basketball infoboxes that occurred awhile back. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Rob Sawicki for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Rob Sawicki is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rob Sawicki until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Rikster2 (talk) 16:31, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Propose eliminating the "country" after team names in Infobox: Basketball Biography

Hello- We have somewhat inconsistently applied country or league (in the case of minor leagues like the D-League or CBA) after each club in the club history section of the infobox. At first these were linked to the actual country name, but that was later changed to the league displaying as the country name. But with most European leagues using a relegation system, linking the leagues brought many errors - people linking the French Pro A when the team split time between Pro A and Pro B during the players' tenure for example. When the league model is followed to the letter, you get infoboxes like Oscar Schmidt, where he played three seasons with the same club but it displays as theree entries because of relegation/promotion moves. I say we just show the club and try to ensure countries and leagues are spelled out in the prose. What do others think? Hoping we can get a consensus because right now it is inconsistent as all get out. Rikster2 (talk) 16:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

NBASKETBALL guideline discussion

You are invited to join a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Similar_leagues_text_in_NBASKETBALL regarding leagues whose players are presumed notable.--Bagumba (talk) 21:30, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

There is also a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Notable_international_basketball_competitions about which international competitions are presumably notable.--Bagumba (talk) 23:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

6team bracket?

I see a few templates for tournaments, such as Template:6TeamBracket-with class. I want to build a bracket for the 2004 Paradise Jam, which was a six team round robin, leading to seeds, leading to Championship game, third place and 5th place games.

I'm not sure it even makes sense to have a bracket with a round robin, but I thought I'd check in case anyone has thoughts on how to portray it.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:10, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Ideal team

There is a new article, Ideal team, that deals with virtual teams of top players like the All-Euroleague Team. You are invited to discuss at Talk:Ideal team how best to handle this.--Bagumba (talk) 02:44, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

New Category - is this a precedent we want?

Just saw where Category:Basketball players from Portland, Oregon was created, which is a sub category of Category:Basketball players from Oregon, which is a sub category of Category:American basketball players. It is also a sub category of Category:Sportspeople from Portland, Oregon and was created along with several other sport categories. My question is if it is wise to categorize to this degree. I think the parent category "American basketball players" is already overapplied as non-US editors aren't aware of the state sub category system and I fear that now we'll start seeing three levels of categories applied (and misapplied). I kind of think 50 sub categories of "American basketball players" is enough. Thoughts? Should the Category be discussed more broadly as there are pretty big implications to this standard if you play it out to its logical end point. Rikster2 (talk) 19:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Totally against this new subcategorizing. That is going overboard. Breaking it down by state is enough; after all there are 50 of those to begin with, and two players who both happen to be from a particular city is not special enough to have its own category. Not every category needs a subcategory, and the lowest level any of these players should be in is a state level.

Also note that Category:Players of American football from Portland, Oregon and Category:Baseball players from Portland, Oregon should be considered in this same vein. The creator of all three of these categories (User:Peteforsyth) is an Oregon homer. Nothing against his lovely home state, but it's this sort of tedious over-categorization that makes Wikipedia more difficult for the average user than it needs to be. I propose we take all three of these categories to a CfR and have them upmerged back to the state level. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

In the big picture, this not a basketball-specific issue, but a general, "Do we create categories for <specific occupation> in <city, state>?" In this case, Category:Basketball players from Oregon and Category:Sportspeople from Portland, Oregon already exist. The guideline Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Intersection_by_location seems the most relevant, and "does not have any relevant bearing on the subjects' other characteristics" seems to apply. The only question would be if "location may be used as a way to split a large category into subcategories" applies to breaking up Category:Sportspeople from Portland, Oregon.--Bagumba (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

--Note: Notification of this discussion was left at Wikipedia_talk:Overcategorization#Category_for_basketball_players_from_Portland.2C_Oregon.--Bagumba (talk) 22:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

• Found here. Thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration

This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:32, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Video possibilities

I was at the Illinois High School Association (IHSA) playoffs yesterday. I shot some videos. Tonight is the rematch of Jabari Parker and 3-time defending IHSA state champion Simeon Career Academy vs. Jahlil Okafor and reigning Chicago Public High School League city champion Whitney M. Young Magnet High School. I want to know if video like I took last night are worth taking. Last time they played, I took video at 640px and it was useless by the time I converted it to .ogv. Last night I took 1280 and 1920 video. See small samples at User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox2. Since I am shooting video and leave my camera unmanned, I am still experimenting. I could of course, try focussing on one half court instead if this video is useless. Can anyone give my opinions on the prospects of using this type of video at either 1280 or 1920 or trying a higher zoom camera angle on WP.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:38, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

navboxes

Pls see Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Need many more templates on pages.Moxy (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:35 Greatest McDonald's All Americans

Template:35 Greatest McDonald's All Americans has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to move WNBA infobox template to Basketball biography infobox

I was editing a couple of WNBA player articles this morning and saw that there is a separate infobox for the WNBA (Template:Infobox WNBA biography), distinct from Template:Infobox basketball biography, which is now used for all men's leagues (Australia and the Philippines integrated in the last year). I propose that the WNBA infobox be merged with the others as the basketball biography box is sufficiently flexible (team colors would need to be added) and there is no substantial difference in the info presented in either. Thoughts? Rikster2 (talk) 13:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Category:National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame inductees

A recent category for discussion resulted in, IMO, the surprising deletion of Category:National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame inductees. The cfd was not brought to the attention of Talk:National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame, Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball, Wikipedia:WikiProject College Basketball, nor even Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports. I personally believe the cfd was not properly announced, per cfd instructions to place "a notice on the talk page of the most-closely related article" nor relevant Wikiprojects. Further I disagree with the interpretation of consensus and to reasoning to close the discussion by User:BrownHairedGirl. Any interest in bringing this to Wikipedia:Deletion review? CrazyPaco (talk) 15:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

WNBA

We are revamping our article "importance" ratings at WP:NBA, and the question came up as to which project oversees the WNBA? I honestly dont recall seeing any discussion at WP:NBA regarding WNBA, so perhaps WNBA supporters are here? Of note, there are WNBA articles in Category:Top-importance NBA articles and there is Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association/WNBA task force (which doesnt seem active).--Bagumba (talk) 02:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

IRC

In case you're interested, there's now an IRC channel for collaboration between editors in sports WikiProjects. It's located at #wikipedia-en-sports ^connect. Cheers, TCN7JM 03:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC).

Billy Reid - pro career help

Does anyone have access to a Eurobasket account, or any other resource that can fill out Billy Reid (basketball)'s professional playing career article? I pieced together what I could based off the Southern Miss and Rhode Island coach bios, but it's an incomplete overview of his playing career.

Also, I can't find anything on his coaching career more recent than the 2006-07 season, so if you have any info on that, too, it'd be appreciated. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Banknote with Loul Deng.jpg

File:Banknote with Loul Deng.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

team photos

Several team photos are up for deletion, see Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2013_May_22 -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Template request for NBA Draft Combine

I forgot to make sure that no one knows about the template I am requesting. Comment at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Template_request_for_NBA_Draft_Combine if I should not be making this request.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 10:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposal for coaches' infoboxes

For basketball coaches' infoboxes I propose it be standard that current NBA coaches have their current teams listed in their infoboxes so that it triggers the team colors displayed, as I've done for the articles about Mark Jackson, Erik Spoelstra, Bob McAdoo, and David Fizdale. Arbor to SJ (talk) 01:17, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Enhancements to current infobox

I believe what is needed are enhancements to {{Infobox basketball biography}}. Some changes that are needed seem to be:

1. Jersey number should not be as prominent when person is no longer a player (e.g. becomes a coach/exec). There should be an option to list it somewhere else.
2. Non-current jersey numbers should be listed somewhere (e.g. player changes number over career)
3. People are involved with many leagues in their career. It should not be listed with "Career information". The league of the current team, if important, should be listed on top next to the current team.
4. Current position should be listed separately from former position e.g. player becomes coach, coach becomes exec, etc.

--Bagumba (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree with all the enhancements. For players becoming coaches though, the basketball position should be listed separately.--Chris!_c/t 22:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Please provide feedback on the following mockups for Kobe Bryant and Jeff Hornacek. The left is the original, the right is with changes to address points above.--Bagumba (talk) 06:31, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

@Zagalejo: I'd suggest calling it "Team information" for both players and coaches, and stay away from specific customization. However, we may not even need it if the decision is to remove the "league" parameter (see my comment immediately above at 01:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)) Renaming "Pro career" to "Pro playing career" can be done too. I guess "Playing career" would include college and HS, while "Pro coaching career" would exclude any college coaching stints. I can produce a new prototype for viewing once the "league" issue is finalized.--Bagumba (talk) 06:22, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I think "League" should be removed. Career history already shows which team a player is playing for.--Chris!_c/t 20:14, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be initial agreement to have a place to put a player's position and number when they become a coach. I've added params career_number and career_position. No changes to the top format, and "league" still remains until there is a clear consensus. See Jeff Hornacek for a working example of the changes.--Bagumba (talk) 22:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into some of these cases when I get a chance. For example, I know that Tom Thibodeau had worked as a college coach before going into the NBA, though those years had never been added to the infobox. Zagalejo^^^ 04:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Nationality2 field hey, since we are making all these enhancements can we correct a display issue with use of the "nationality" and "nationality2" fields as well? Right now if you use both fields it displays as "American /Italian" instead of "American / Italian" - can we adjust the default spacing on both ends? Either that or disable "nationality2" altogether and let people manually enter the slash and spacing (as with the position field)? Rikster2 (talk) 23:59, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Side effect

Possible unintended consequence of new infobox - I have noticed that the spacing on a number of infoboxes has changed. In many cases high schools which formally could include HS and city on one line stretches to two (even some pretty short ones), and also college name plus college years are stretching to a second line as well. Anyone know what is causing this and if it can be avoided? Bo Lamar is a college example, while I just inserted a hard break for Caldwell Jones' high school to get around it. The boxes looked cleaner when this stuff would fit on one line. Rikster2 (talk) 20:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

"league" parameter

The matter of the "league" parameter above has been brought up before e.g. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball/Archive3#.22league.22_field_in_infobox.2C_revisited. The issue is that "league" is listed under "Career information", but the field is typically only filled with the person's current league. Adding all the leagues of some players' careers would be too unwieldy.

The options moving forward seem to be.

1. Remove the "league" field.
2. Move the "league" field together with the person's current team, position, and number.
3. Leave "league" as is, with only the current league under "Career information".

Examples of each option are below based on Malcolm Thomas (basketball, born 1988). Please indicate your preference in the survey below. Feel free to introduce additional options.--Bagumba (talk) 07:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Survey

#1 Remove league

1. Second choice would be to move league.--Bagumba (talk) 07:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

#2a Move league, with new "Team Information" header

#2b Move league, keep old No. <#> - <Team> style header

1. This looks perfect.--Chris!_c/t 23:16, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
2. Works for me. Zagalejo^^^ 02:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

#3 Leave league

Discussion

IMO, what would be ideal is something halfway between Option 1 and Option 2. IE, leave the "No. 3 - Chicago Bulls" against the red background, and list the League and Position underneath that. Zagalejo^^^ 20:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

League set, but no team

Preparing for the likelihood that we will go with option 2b, it seems there are almost 200 articles that currently set "league" but not "team". This seems mostly to include retired players. What should we do with these?

1. Do not display "league" if there is no "team"
2. Edit and remove "league" from these articles. However, "league" is also used in a retired player's stats section, so the existing parameter "stats_league" would need to be set instead.
3. Both 1 and 2.

--Bagumba (talk) 06:13, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Note that currently, if neither "league" nor "stats_league" is set, "Career NBA statistics" is displayed, not "Career statistics"--Bagumba (talk) 07:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Option 1 could be easily implemented without option 2. If league/stats league was incorrectly set before, it's a separate issue from the changes discussed here. If we do option 1, and we just wanted to rename encoded "league" settings for retired players to "stats_league" for consistency, that could be done after option 1 at our leisure. I can look into adding another test to track which bios don't list a team, but set league, and also display stats.--Bagumba (talk) 07:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I've made the changes for option 2b which move the league to the top, but only displaying it if there is a team set. See Malcolm_Thomas_(basketball,_born_1988) as one example. Removing "league" from articles where there is no team, and renaming it to "stats_league" where applicable can be done if anyone chooses.--Bagumba (talk) 07:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Alerts bot

I realise the project has this tool but an additional tool is Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball/Article alerts?, when activated Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Article alerts?, and watchlisted, it picks up significant AfDs, RMs etc. Some users may find it useful.

General manager's infobox

Larry Bird's case was mentioned before at #Proposal for coaches' infoboxes. Should we add fields to add the career history i.e. teams/years for a general manager and other executives, like we do for playing and coaching stints?--Bagumba (talk) 01:51, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Any evidence existed?

Nikola Perisic, BLP with no evidence of existence. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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